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Jarrod Saltalamacchia rumors: Twins, Rockies, Jays in play for free-agent catcher, per report

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With Carlos Ruiz and Brian McCann already off the market, Salty is now widely regarded as the best backstop available.

The Twins, Rockies and Blue Jays have emerged as the most likely candidates to sign free-agent catcher Jarrod Saltalamacchia away from the Red Sox, reports Jon Heyman of CBS Sports.

Boston still has a two-year offer on the table for Salty, so his return to Beantown appears the most likely scenario at the moment, but that could change if one of the other interested clubs is willing to give him a longer contract. The switch-hitting backstop is reportedly on the market for a three- or four-year deal -- the Red Sox have been reluctant to go over two -- and he might be able to get it now that he's the best catcher left in the shallow free-agent pool.

Brian McCann and Carlos Ruiz were the easily the biggest behind-the-plate names on the open market this fall, but both have already inked long-term deals. Their early deals leave Salty, A.J. Pierzynski and a long list of back-up types as the only free-agent options available to a host of clubs still looking to upgrade behind the plate.

The Twins and Rockies have productive catchers on their rosters, but both clubs are looking to move those players out from behind the plate: Minnesota has already made the executive decision to move Joe Mauer to first base full time, and Colorado is reportedly, per Heyman, trying to shift Wilin Rosario to the outfield. In order for those moves to work, the clubs need someone to step in at catcher, which is presumably where Saltalamacchia comes into play.

The Twins do have young prospect Josmil Pinto ready to step in to catching role next season, but that hasn't stopped them from being linked to Saltalamacchia over the last few weeks. The Rockies' situation behind the plate is much more uncertain with Rosario out of the picture, which explains why the club went so hard after McCann before the Yankees scooped him up.

The Blue Jays' situation is a bit different from the two other interested parties. They too have an incumbent catcher, but he was anything but productive for the team this past season. J.P. Arencibia did hit 21 home runs for Toronto in 2013, but he did so while hitting under the Mendoza line and turning in one of the worst on-base percentages (.227) by a qualified player in modern baseball history.

While there has been a large amount of early movement in free agency so far this winter, it's unlikely that the Saltalamacchia situation will resolve itself before next month's Winter Meetings. Given the state of things, his best bet is probably to get clubs competing for his services in Orlando, which could net him the long-term deal he wants.

ESPN's Buster Olney suggested on WEEI Wednesday morning that the perceived lull Saltalamacchia's market so far this fall might be due to injury concerns similar to those that plagued Mike Napoli last year. Salty's agent was quick to rebuke this claim, pointing out to Alex Speier of WEEI that his client hasn't been on the disabled list since 2010.

His agent indicated that the catcher's market might be more lively than everyone believes, using the ol' "just because you're not hearing about it doesn't mean it's not happening" gambit. He also implied that the Chicago Cubs are not in the running for Saltalamacchia's services.

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Rogers NHL Deal Will Not Affect Blue Jays Payroll

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The recent NHL deal signed by Rogers Media will not have any negative effects on the Blue Jays payroll.

Head of Rogers Media, Keith Pelley, was on the Sportsnet 590 The Fan this morning and the discussion touched upon the effects that the new NHL deal will have on the Blue JaysIf you missed the news of the deal then here's a quick summary:

The NHL and Rogers Communications have come to terms on a 12-year, $4.9 billion broadcast rights agreement that will make Rogers the exclusive broadcast and multimedia partner of the NHL in Canada. This grants the company exclusive rights to all NHL content on all platforms and languages. In Canadian dollars, the deal is worth $5.2 billion.

Naturally, the question for Blue Jays fans was whether the team's payroll would take a hit as money gets tight at the Rogers Centre. Keith Pelley squashed those rumours this morning in an interview with Jeff Blair and the audio can be found here. If you don't feel like listening to the interview (it is quite boring), then here are the Blue Jays related highlights.

Pelley first made it clear that this rumour of the Blue Jays payroll decreasing is unfounded:

It does not affect the Blue Jays payroll in any way whatsoever.

With the massive amount of NHL games, especially during the playoffs, that will be aired on Sportsnet during the beginning of Blue Jays season there is a good chance of some conflicts with Pelley saying:

I don't think that's horrible news as finding games on CBC is a lot easier than searching for Sportsnet One on your remotes. Most Blue Jays fans will remember the times not too long ago where Blue Jays games on the weekend were occasionally broadcast on CBC, which will only help the team's national interest.

Finally, Pelley made it very clear that Rogers still is extremely committed to their baseball team:

We are everything Blue Jays.

Seems like that is cleared up, although there's still a chance that down the road money gets tight for the team if this NHL deal isn't as successful as Rogers hopes. For Montreal baseball fans, maybe there's a chance TSN and Bell get together and try to bring baseball back to the former home of the Expos since their list of programming is looking quite bare at the moment.

Now that the news of whether the Blue Jays have money is out of the way, the next news we should be reporting is that they went and spent some of it.

Hall of Fame Polls

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Who would we vote into the Hall of Fame?

The Hall of Fame ballot has come out and we are going to run a series of polls to see who we would vote into the Hall. We'll do 2 or 3 of these a day until we get through the ballot. I'm going to try to put the polls into a story stream so they don't fill up the whole page.

I'll go in alphabetical order, skipping some that won't get any votes.

Being an Expo fan, Moises Alou has a warm place in my heart and I've always liked the guys that didn't bother with batting glove, though the less said about what he did to 'toughen his hands' the better. He had a pretty decent career, 332 home runs and 1287 RBI, with a really nice slash line, .303/.369/.516. And how many guys get to the majors and have their father for manager.

He played in 7 All-Star games, was 2nd in Rookie of the Year voting in 1992, got MVP votes 7 times, finishing 3rd twice and he owns 1 World Series ring.

YearAgeTmGABRH2B3BHRRBISBCSBBSOBAOBPSLGAwards
199023TOT16204401000003.200.200.300
199023PIT250100000000.200.200.200
199023MON14154301000003.200.200.333
1991Did not play in major leagues (Injured)
199225MON11534153962829561622546.282.328.455RoY-2
199326MON1364827013829618851763853.286.340.483
199427MON107422811433152278764263.339.397.592AS,MVP-3,SS
199528MON9334448942201458432956.273.342.459
199629MON143540871522822196944983.281.339.457MVP-24
199730FLA1505388815729523115957085.292.373.493AS,MVP-10
199831HOU159584104182345381241138487.312.399.582AS,MVP-3,SS
1999Did not play in major leagues (Injured)
200033HOU1264548216128230114335245.355.416.623MVP-20
200134HOU1365137917031127108515757.331.396.554AS,MVP-14
200235CHC132484501332311561804761.275.337.419
200336CHC151565831583512291316367.280.357.462
200437CHC15560110617636339106306880.293.361.557AS,MVP-14
200538SFG123427671372131963515643.321.400.518AS
200639SFG98345521042512274212831.301.352.571
200740NYM87328511121911349302730.341.392.524
200841NYM154941720091124.347.389.388
17 Yrs194270371109213442139332128710637737894.303.369.516
Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 11/26/2013.

So give us your vote.

Hall of Fame Poll: Craig Biggio

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Do you think that Craig Biggio should be in the Hall of Fame?

The next on the list would be Armando Benitez, but I don't really see him as a possible Hall of Famer. He had nice career, 15 years as a reliever. 762 games (57 all time), 3.13 ERA, 289 saves (26th all time). A good player, not a Hall of Fame type.

Craig Biggio, on the other, has a pretty strong case. He played 20 seasons, all with the Astros. He hit 281/.363/.433, with 291 home runs, 1175 RBI, 1844 runs scored and 414 stolen bases.

Craig came up as a catcher, played there for 4 seasons, spent 11 seasons at second base, moved to center field for a couple of seasons and then went back to second to finish off his career.

He was a 7 time All-Star, won 4 Gold Gloves and 5 Silver Sluggers. Baseball Reference has him at a 62.1 WAR, putting him 88th all time among position players.

He was one of the best players in baseball for several years.

YearAgeTmGABRH2B3BHRRBISBCSBBSOBAOBPSLGHBPPosAwards
198822HOU501231426613561729.211.254.35002
198923HOU1344436411421213602134964.257.336.4026*2/87SS
199024HOU1505555315324244225115379.276.342.3483*287/9
199125HOU149546791612344461965371.295.358.3742*2/487AS
199226HOU1626139617032363938159495.277.378.3697*4AS
199327HOU15561098175415216415177793.287.373.47410*4
199428HOU114437881394456563946258.318.411.4838*4AS,MVP-16,GG,SS
199529HOU14155312316730222773388085.302.406.48322*4AS,MVP-10,GG,SS
199630HOU16260511317424415752577572.288.386.41527*4AS,GG
199731HOU1626191461913782281471084107.309.415.50134*4/DAS,MVP-4,GG,SS
199832HOU160646123210512208850864113.325.403.50323*4/DAS,MVP-5,SS
199933HOU1606391231885601673281488107.294.386.45711*4/7DMVP-12
200034HOU101377671011358351226173.268.388.393164
200135HOU15561711818035320707466100.292.382.45528*4/D
200236HOU14557796146363155816250111.253.330.40417*4/7
200337HOU15362810216644215628457116.264.350.41227*8
200438HOU1566331001784702463724094.281.337.46915*78/D
200539HOU1555909415640126691113790.264.325.46817*4/D
200640HOU145548791353302162324084.246.306.4229*4/D
200741HOU1415176813031310504323112.251.285.3813*4/D2
20 Yrs2850108761844306066855291117541412411601753.281.363.433285
Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 11/27/2013.

Poll
Would you vote Craig Biggio into the Baseball Hall of Fame?

  9 votes |Results

2014 Blue Jays giveaways pale in comparison to Giants' offerings

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Once again the Blue Jays come up short with their giveaways.

Going to baseball games is about watching the game, not getting giveaways, but it'd sure be nice to start getting some creative Blue Jays giveaways down at the Rogers Centre. This year, the Blue Jays will be giving out three bobblehead dolls, but the players featured on them have not been announced yet.

GiveawayQuantityGame
Rally Towel and Magnet Schedules45,000April 4 vs Yankees
Mystery bobblehead #120,000April 27 vs Red Sox
Replica "Blue" Blue Jays Jersey Giveaway20,000May 25 vs A's
Blue Jays Cowboy Hat20,000June 1 vs Royals
Mystery bobblehead #220,000June 8 vs Cardinals
Blue Jays team card set25,000June 11 vs Twins
Fan Vote T-Shirt15,000June 24 vs Yankees
Blue Jays visor20,000June 29 vs White Sox
Red Blue Jays bucket hat20,000July 1 vs Brewers
Blue Jays Tumbler Cup Giveaway20,000July 20, vs Rangers
Downloadable Music Card20,000July 23 vs Red Sox
Fan Vote T-Shirt15,000August 5 vs Orioles
Replica Blue Jays batting practice hat20,000August 10 vs Tigers
Mystery bobblehead #320,000August 24 vs Rays
Jr. Jays PosterAll kids 14 and underAugust 30 vs Yankees
Blue Jays Long Sleeve Baseball Shirt20,000August 31 vs Yankees
Blue Jays Warm Winter Hat20,000Septmeber 28 vs Orioles

  • In the home opener, the rally towel will be given away upon entrance, and the magnet schedule will be given away at the exit to stop folks from tossing them onto the field.
  • The replica jersey giveaway day will be fun: since each jersey will feature a player, fans will run around trading with each other to get one of their favourite player.
  • The two "fan vote t-shirts" will be given away on "Connect with the Blue Jays night," a "fun social media night for fans who follow the Blue Jays with in-stadium giveaways all game long." The old Blackberry Tweeting Tuesday events are gone.
  • The visor and bucket hat giveaways on the same weekend marks the Canadian holiday of Dorky Headwear Weekend.
  • End of an era: no Mr. Sub giveaways this year. For a long time they sponsored a sports bag giveaway, then last year it became a cooler bag, and this year the promo is gone.

Overall, very vanilla and blah giveaways. There's not a lot of creativity, a lot of them seem like bland swag corporations order for tradeshows. For a good list of giveaways, just look at the San Francisco Giants (they've only released their first-half schedule). In the first month they will be giving away a calendar, two bobbleheads (Hunter Pence and Duane Kuiper!), a scarf, a sports bag, a sports sleeve (for kids), a magnet schedule, a 1954 replica World Series ring (!), and a replica bat (for kids). Another contrast is in non-cap headwear giveaways: the Giants are offering hipstery fedoras. And man, the Hello Kitty Giants plush doll on June 8!

Why can't the Blue Jays marketing department think of cool giveaways like: Munenori Kawasaki English phrasebook sponsored by Rosetta Stone, Redbull cans with Brett Lawrie's face on them, statuettes of Steve Delabar's elbow plate sponsored by Home Hardware, Andrew Stoeten beards sponsored by theScore, Colby Rasmus wigs sponsored by Gabi's, a St. John's Ambulance-sponsored Dustin McGowan first-aid kit, a Jeff Samardzija shark fin cap, and so on. So much potential!

But, maybe I'm being too negative. Those bucket hats couldn't be that bad, right?

I want to become a Giants fan.

Hall of Fame Poll: Barry Bonds

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Would you vote Barry Bonds into the Hall of Fame?

Next up on the list is Barry Bonds. Baseball must be the only sport around whose best player ever is not in their Hall of Fame, but there are reasons. Last year was his first time on the ballot and he got 36.2% of the vote. I doubt the BBWAA vote will change enough to get him in this year.

I really don't have to tell you anything about Barry. You all know he hit a ton of home runs (762, most in major league history). He played 22 seasons, has a .298/.444/.607 slash line. 1996 RBI, 514 stolen bases.

He made 14 All-Star teams. Has 7 NL MVP awards, 12 Silver Sluggers, 8 Gold Gloves. Baseball Reference has him at a 158.1 WAR, 2nd all-time among position players.

And he used steroids.

And he was a jerk.

So there is your choice. Do you think he deserves to go into the Hall, despite his cheating?

YearAgeTmGABRH2B3BHRRBISBCSBBSOBAOBPSLGOPSIBBPosAwards
198621PIT1134137292263164836765102.223.330.416.7462*8RoY-6
198722PIT15055199144349255932105488.261.329.492.8213*78/9
198823PIT14453897152305245817117282.283.368.491.85914*7/8
198924PIT15958096144346195832109393.248.351.426.77722*7
199025PIT1515191041563233311452139383.301.406.565.97015*7/8AS,MVP-1,GG,SS
199126PIT1535109514928525116431310773.292.410.514.92425*7/8MVP-2,GG,SS
199227PIT1404731091473653410339812769.311.456.6241.08032*7AS,MVP-1,GG,SS
199328SFG15953912918138446123291212679.336.458.6771.13643*7AS,MVP-1,GG,SS
199429SFG1123918912218137812997443.312.426.6471.07318*7AS,MVP-4,GG,SS
199530SFG14450610914930733104311012083.294.431.5771.00922*7AS,MVP-12
199631SFG1585171221592734212940715176.308.461.6151.07630*7/8AS,MVP-5,GG,SS
199732SFG1595321231552654010137814587.291.446.5851.03134*7AS,MVP-5,GG,SS
199833SFG15655212016744737122281213092.303.438.6091.04729*7AS,MVP-8,GG
199934SFG102355919320234831527362.262.389.6171.00697/DMVP-24
200035SFG1434801291472844910611311777.306.440.6881.12722*7AS,MVP-2,SS
200136SFG1534761291563227313713317793.328.515.8631.37935*7/DAS,MVP-1,SS
200237SFG143403117149312461109219847.370.582.7991.38168*7/DAS,MVP-1,SS
200338SFG13039011113322145907014858.341.529.7491.27861*7/DAS,MVP-1,SS
200439SFG147373129135273451016123241.362.609.8121.422120*7/DAS,MVP-1,SS
200540SFG1442812105100096.286.404.6671.07137
200641SFG130367749923026773011551.270.454.545.99938*7/D
200742SFG126340759414028665013254.276.480.5651.04543*7/DAS
22 Yrs298698472227293560177762199651414125581539.298.444.6071.051688
Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 11/27/2013.

Poll
Would you vote Barry Bonds into the Baseball Hall of Fame?

  120 votes |Results

The Walks that Weren't: Swinging in Three Ball Counts

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The Blue Jays walked 510 times last year, but how many opportunities for the free pass did they throw away?

Since the Moneyball era began baseball fans have found themselves discussing walks more than ever before. Although the base on balls isn’t the most exciting play in baseball, its importance has garnered greater appreciation in recent times. When describing a baseball player to a friend you might think to include information on how often he walks now, something that didn’t come up nearly so often in the past. When Blue Jays fans look at J.P. Arencibia there is a multitude of possible ways to criticize his performance, but one of the ones that often comes up first is his lack of walks. In past years it might have been as easy as saying, "HE HIT .194! ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?!" There is plenty of validity to that statement as well. I’m not trying to paint baseball fans of a certain age as Neanderthals or trying to say baseball fans are smarter now because there is more awareness about walk. Baseball fans are people and people haven’t gotten any smarter in the last fifteen odd years. There has just been a change in the way the game is discussed.

On a personal level, I have always been interested in patience, plate discipline and walks. On that note I thought I would talk about the kind of walks that are rarely discussed: walks that didn’t happen. One of the most basic cognitive flaws that humans exhibit is the failure to consider scenarios that didn’t transpire. Usually we are smart enough to conquer this on a small scale. For instance, if you roll a die three times and the numbers 1,2 and 3 come up it is unlikely that you will forget that 4’s, 5’s and 6’s are equally likely to be rolled, even though didn’t see those numbers rolled. On a larger scale we often lose track of things that didn’t happen because they don’t seem relevant. I give you fair warning that if relevance is what you seek, you might be disappointed with what follows.

Perhaps at this point I should specify what I mean by "walks that didn’t happen". At the core what I really mean is "walks that should have happened". It’s pretty hard to define things that should have happened and I realize how far I’m wading into the wishy-washy here, but hopefully you’ll indulge me. A walk that should have happened is a scenario where a batter has three balls on him and swings for a pitch outside the strike zone. The idea is that the player had a walk available to him and all he had to do was not swing.

Clearly it’s not that simple. Firstly, it’s not fair to assume that hitters have can identify balls and strikes perfectly, if they could baseball would be a much higher scoring sport. Secondly, when I’m working with strike zone data that data comes from PitchFx’s determination of what the strike zone should be in a perfect world as opposed to the strike zone that is called by umpires.

In examining these "walks that weren’t" one way I’ve tried to mitigate these limitations is by steering clear of all 3-2 counts. In a full count situation a hitter may feel the need to go outside the strike zone in order to protect the plate. In order to prevent the called strikeout he does not have the luxury of taking borderline pitches. In this case it’s unfair to criticize a lack of plate discipline when in fact swinging for a pitch outside the strike zone might be the best course of action.

That left 3-0 and 3-1 counts. A ball in a 3-0 or 3-1 count results in a base while a strike cannot result in an out. I thought that this scenario would incentivize hitters to lay off anything that could be a ball because a ball guarantees a base, whereas the consequences for taking a strike are far from disastrous. While hitters almost never swing in 3-0 counts, I figured that in a 3-1 situation they might swing aggressively in the heart of the strike zone but tend to avoid pitches at the margins.

First we’ll take a look a 3-0 counts. In the chart below I’ve listed all the players individually (I included every Blue Jays player with over 200 PA) but the individual results included such small sample sizes that they are virtually meaningless. To be honest, there isn’t a lot to see here because Blue Jays hitters, like most others, tended to let the 3-0 pitch go. It’s an almost unheard of move to reach for a pitch outside the strike zone on a 3-0 count.

3-0 Counts


Player

O-Zone Pitches

Swings

O- Swing%

Colby Rasmus

11

1

9.1%

Jose Bautista

15

1

6.7%

Edwin Encarnacion

15

1

6.7%

Adam Lind

13

0

0%

Jose Reyes

13

0

0%

Brett Lawrie

11

0

0%

Rajai Davis

3

0

0%

Munenori Kawasaki

7

0

0%

Emilio Bonifacio

4

0

0%

J.P Arencibia

5

0

0%

Melky Cabrera

8

0

0%

Maicer Izturis

8

0

0%

Mark DeRosa

3

0

0%

TOTAL

116

3

2.6%

As I said, there isn’t much to see here. Hitters almost never swing in this situation so it follows that they almost never chase pitches outside the zone. Blue Jays hitters missed out on 3 total walks in these situations, assuming the umpires are calling the rulebook strike zone of course. That’s virtually nothing. Things get far more interesting when we look at 3-1 counts.

3-1 Counts


Player

O-Zone Pitches

Swings

O- Swing%

Colby Rasmus

26

10

38.5%

Jose Bautista

37

13

35.1%

Edwin Encarnacion

40

12

30%

Adam Lind

34

12

35.3%

Jose Reyes

16

4

25%

Brett Lawrie

16

4

25%

Rajai Davis

8

1

12.5%

Munenori Kawasaki

15

1

6.7%

Emilio Bonifacio

6

3

50%

J.P Arencibia

11

6

54.5%

Melky Cabrera

17

5

29.4%

Maicer Izturis

18

5

27.7%

Mark DeRosa

12

5

41.7%

TOTAL

256

81

31.6%

The individual samples are tiny here but is anyone surprised that J.P. Arencibia has swung for the highest percentage of pitches in this situation and Munenori Kawasaki has swung for the lowest percentage? I didn’t think so.

There are a couple of things going on here. Firstly, in theory, Blue Jays hitters have forgone the opportunity for 81 walks due to free swinging in 3-1 counts. That’s half a walk per game, which is pretty significant. Once again, that number isn’t exact because of the discrepancy between the Brooks Baseball strike zone and the one the umpires actually call, but it’s a good estimate. Half a walk per game goes a long way, if a pitcher tacked on 0.50 BB/9 to his stat line people would take notice.

What’s more interesting than the volume, of what would largely be considered costly and ill-advised swings (I didn’t include it above because the sample was so small, but for the record Blue Jays hitters hit .241/.241/.379 on these pitches) is the rate at which they are occurring. Even though Blue Jays hitters should be erring on the side of caution when it comes to pitches on the edges or outside the zone in 3-1 counts they are actually swinging outside almost exactly as often in these situations as they are overall (31.6% O-Swing in 3-1 vs. 30.5% overall).

The reason for these swings is a matter of speculation. Often 3-1 is described as a perfect "hitter’s count" where hitters can expect a fastball. As a result, perhaps hitters are more concerned with sitting on a fastball than that pitch’s location. Perhaps the assumption that they will get a pitch to hit puts hitters in an aggressive mindset. It's impossible to say definitively.

What I do know is that when it comes to 3-0 hitters have no problem laying off a pitch because they have so little to lose and a base to gain. In 3-1 counts they similarly have more to gain by taking a pitch than by swinging at one and yet there aggressiveness outside the strike zone is unaltered. I limited this to 2013 and to the Blue Jays because it gives a tangible idea of the amount of walks that are lost on a yearly basis to what I would generally describe as needless swinging in three ball counts. Such a small target gives merely a snapshot at this strange phenomenon. To give another snapshot, this is Joey Votto’s career swing rate by zone in a 3-1 count:

Even the master of the walk is taking his share of healthy out of the zone cuts in 3-1 counts.

If you break it down it really doesn’t makes sense:

  1. Swinging for pitches outside the strike zone is bad, unless you stuck in a two strike count. You are less likely to make contact and even if you do it’s less likely to go for a hit.
  2. Walking is good. Getting bases without giving up outs is a good deal.
  3. When you are sitting at 3-1 taking a strike isn’t the end of the world.

That’s pretty much it. Of course it’s unfair to expect perfect strike zone recognition and discipline, and of course umpires don’t call a perfect strike zone. It still seems that players would become more conservative when the walk was in play. I haven’t even looked at any pitches in the strike zone here. I would expect hitters to swing aggressively for strikes the way they always do. Swinging for strikes tends to be a good idea.

Nowadays the walk is getting more love than ever before. The free pass is sexy for the first time in baseball history. However, just because something is well regarded by baseball fans, or even baseball executives, it doesn’t mean it makes it way to the field. The players don’t really care about Moneyball, they just play baseball the way that got them to the big leagues. Where an outside observer sees walks that might have been, it's possible that a baseball player just sees good cuts in a hitter's count. The league-wide BB% in 2013 was 7.9%. That’s exactly the same rate as in 1913. Although baseball is changing in many ways, the rising K% and sinking offensive numbers come to mind, it’s still fundamentally the same. The bigger change going on right now is the way segment of the fan population has chosen to observe the game. As part of that segment I find that instead observing the swings that happen, I’m seeing the walks that could have been. It’s a fun way to see baseball, but it’ll also drive you a little bit nuts.

Hall of Fame Poll: Roger Clemens

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Would you vote Roger Clemens into the Baseball Hall of Fame?

The next player on the Hall of Fame ballot is Sean Casey, but, as much as I liked Casey, he isn't a Hall of Famer by any standard. He played in the majors for 12 years, had a really nice slash line, .302/.367/.447, with 130 home runs and 735 RBI. He didn't have the power you'd like to see out of a first baseman (25 home runs were the most he'd hit, he was only over 20 twice), but he kept a high batting average and got on base well. I always liked guys that got on base a lot.

Roger Clemens is a guy that did have a Hall of Fame type career, if you are willing to overlook the substances he injected into his body.

In 24 seasons, Clemens had a 354-184 record, 3.12 ERA in 707 starts. 1580 walks, 4672 strikeouts (3rd all-time) in 4916 innings. He won 20 games in 6 different seasons.

He won 7 Cy Youngs, including 2 as a Blue Jay. He won 1 AL MVP award. Played in 11 All-Star games. Baseball Reference has him at a 133 WAR which is 3rd all-time for pitchers.

Roger was found not guilty of lying to Congress in 2008. Personally, lying to politicians seems like a strange thing to be put to trial over.

We have a few guys on the ballot that are believed to have used steroids, Roger, well he was a jerk about it. When he was found to have human growth hormone delivered to his house, he blamed it on his wife. To me that's as lousy a move as there is, guys are supposed to protect their wives, not use them as an alibi.

There are other things in his past that might cause the BBWAA to leave his name off the ballot. Throwing at Mike Piazza, with the ball and a broken piece of bat. And his affair with an under-aged Mindy McCready doesn't exactly speak to his good citizenship.

And, of course, Roger is the only person that, on this site, we are allowed to call a fuckhead, because, of course, he is.

Roger is a tough call for me, because I figure keeping keeping someone out for using PEDs is unfair because we we don't know every player that was using. We know Roger was using but how many guys get voted in that we don't know. Is it fair to keep him how just because he was stupid enough to get caught? But then, Clemens is such a perfect example of walking fertilizer, that it is hard to get past what a lousy person he was.

There are lots of lousy people in the Hall, but do I really want add another?

YearAgeTmWLERAGGSCGSHOIPHERHRBBSOHBPWPHR/9BB/9SO/9Awards
198421BOS944.32212051133.1146641329126240.92.08.5RoY-6
198522BOS753.2915153198.1833653774310.53.46.8
198623BOS2442.483333101254.01797021672384110.72.48.4AS,CYA-1,MVP-1
198724BOS2092.973636187281.2248931983256940.62.78.2CYA-1,MVP-19
198825BOS18122.933535148264.0217861762291640.62.19.9AS,CYA-6
198926BOS17113.13353583253.1215882093230870.73.38.2
199027BOS2161.93313174228.119349754209780.32.18.2AS,CYA-2,MVP-3
199128BOS18102.623535134271.1219791565241560.52.28.0AS,CYA-1,MVP-10
199229BOS18112.413232115246.2203661162208930.42.37.6AS,CYA-3,MVP-14
199330BOS11144.46292921191.21759517671601130.83.17.5
199431BOS972.85242431170.2124541571168440.83.78.9
199532BOS1054.18232300140.01416515601321491.03.98.5
199633BOS10133.63343462242.22169819106257480.73.99.5
199734TOR2172.05343493264.0204609682921240.32.310.0AS,CYA-1,MVP-10
199835TOR2062.65333353234.2169691188271760.43.410.4AS,CYA-1,MVP-11
199936NYY14104.60303011187.2185962090163981.04.37.8
200037NYY1383.70323210204.11848426841881021.13.78.3CYA-6
200138NYY2033.51333300220.12058619722135140.82.98.7AS,CYA-1,MVP-8
200239NYY1364.35292900180.01728718631927140.93.29.6
200340NYY1793.91333311211.2199922458190551.02.58.1AS
200441HOU1842.98333300214.1169711579218650.63.39.2AS,CYA-1,MVP-8
200542HOU1381.87323210211.1151441162185330.52.67.9AS,CYA-3,MVP-22
200643HOU762.30191900113.18929729102430.62.38.1
200744NYY664.1818170099.0994693168570.82.86.2
24 Yrs3541843.12709707118464916.241851707363158046721591430.72.98.6
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Hall of Fame Poll: Tom Glavine

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Would you vote Tom Glavine into the Baseball Hall of Fame?

Happy Thanksgiving, to those of you on the other side of the border. Hope the turkey is great. And thanks for giving us football to watch, since there isn't going to be any baseball news today.

I'm going to skip a couple of guys, Ray Durham and Eric Gagne, they were both good players, but not Hall of Fame types.

Ray Durham played 14 seasons in the majors, mostly as a second baseman, for the White Sox, Giants, A's and Brewers. He hit .277/.352/.436, with 192 home runs, 875 RBI and 273 stolen bases. He made the All-Star team twice. He was a pretty good leadoff hitter, in the early part of his career. He scored over 100 runs 6 straight seasons. I'd be really happy if the Jays could find a second baseman like him.

As much as it would be nice to have a French Canadian in the Hall. Eric Gagne's was great, for 3 seasons. He had 152 saves, over those 3 seasons and set a record for successful consecutive saves with 85. Unfortunately injuries robbed him of his effectiveness and shortened his career.  In total he played 10 seasons, pitched in 402 game, had 187 saves with a 3.47 ERA.

Now Tom Glavine has a good shot at the Hall. A 22 year career, 305 wins, 203 losses. A 3.54 ERA in 682 games, all starts. He won 2 Cy Youngs, was named to 10 All-Star teams and even has 4 Silver Slugger awards for best hitting pitcher. His teams made it to the playoffs 10 times, though he only has 1 ring. He was on the losing side against the Blue Jays in 1992.

I don't really think I have to sell him, just look at his stats.

YearAgeTmWLERAGGSCGSHOIPHRHRBBSOERA+BB/9SO/9Awards
198721ATL245.54990050.1553453320795.93.6
198822ATL7174.56343410195.1201111126384802.93.9
198923ATL1483.68292964186.017288204090981.94.4
199024ATL10124.28333310214.12321111878129943.35.4
199125ATL20112.55343491246.22018317691921532.57.0AS,CYA-1,MVP-11,SS
199226ATL2082.76333375225.0197816701291342.85.2AS,CYA-2,MVP-10
199327ATL2263.20363642239.12369116901201263.44.5AS,CYA-3,MVP-24
199428ATL1393.97252520165.11737610701401063.87.6
199529ATL1673.08292931198.2182769661271373.05.8CYA-3,SS
199630ATL15102.98363610235.12229114851811473.36.9AS,SS
199731ATL1472.96333352240.01978620791521413.05.7AS
199832ATL2062.47333343229.12026713741571682.96.2AS,CYA-1,MVP-21,SS
199933ATL14114.12353520234.025911518831381093.25.3
200034ATL2193.40353542241.022210124651521352.45.7AS,CYA-2,MVP-14
200135ATL1673.57353511219.12139224971161254.04.8
200236ATL18112.96363621224.22108521781271403.15.1AS
200337NYM9144.52323200183.120594216682933.24.0
200438NYM11143.60333311212.12049420701091193.04.6AS
200539NYM13133.53333321211.12278812611051162.64.5
200640NYM1573.82323200198.02029422621311142.86.0AS
200741NYM1384.45343411200.1219102236489972.94.0
200842ATL245.5413130063.16740113737765.35.3
22 Yrs3052033.5468268256254413.142981900356150026071183.15.3
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Hall of Fame Poll: Luis Gonzalez

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Would you vote Luis Gonzalez into the Baseball Hall of Fame?

I was going to skip over Gonzalez, but he had a long career and pretty good one, by the numbers.

He hit 354 home runs, drove in 1439, stole 128 bases, with a .283/.367/.479 line.

He had been kind of a high batting average, high on base guys early in his career, then in his 30's he became a home run hitting. He hit 10 home runs in his age 29 season, but that was as an Astro, back in the Astrodome era. Barry Bonds, in all his PED glory would have a hard time hitting home runs that.

The next season, traded to the Tigers, he hit 23. After that he went to Arizona and hit 26, 31, 57, 28, and 26 home runs, the next 5 seasons. He also drove in over 100 runs each of those year, peaking at 142 RBI in 2001.

Of course, there may have been reasons for his sudden jump in power, but I don't remember any evidence, I don't think he was mentioned in the Mitchel Report. If we give a pass to Barry Bond, when we know he used, do not even consider Gonzalez because we suspect?

YearAgeTmGABRH2B3BHRRBISBCSBBSOBAOBPSLGPosAwards
199022HOU12211420000025.190.261.286/53
199123HOU13747351120289136910740101.254.320.433*7
199224HOU12238740941931055772452.243.289.385*7
199325HOU1545408216234315722094783.300.361.457*7
199426HOU1123925710729486715134957.273.353.429*7
199527TOT133471691302981369685763.276.357.454*7/8
199527HOU562093554104635131830.258.322.4317
199527CHC772623476194734553933.290.384.4737/8
199628CHC146483701313041579966149.271.354.443*7/3
199729HOU1525507814231210681077167.258.345.376*7/3
199830DET1545478414635523711275762.267.340.475*7D/8
199931ARI15361411220645426111956663.336.403.549*7/DAS,MVP-18
200032ARI16261810619247231114247885.311.392.544*7
200133ARI162609128198367571421110083.325.429.688*7AS,MVP-3,SS
200234ARI1485249015119328103929776.288.400.496*7AS
200335ARI1565799217646426104539467.304.402.532*7AS,MVP-25
200436ARI10537969982851748226858.259.373.4937/D
200537ARI155579901573702479417890.271.366.459*7AS
200638ARI153586931595221573016958.271.352.444*7/D
200739LAD139464701292321568625656.278.359.433*7/D
200840FLA1363413089261847124143.261.336.41379/D
19 Yrs25919157141225915966835414391288711551218.283.367.479
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Hall of Fame Poll: Jeff Kent

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Would you vote Jeff Kent into the Baseball Hall of Fame?

Next on the list are Jacque Jones and Todd Jones, but I don't think we need to vote on them.

Jacque was a pretty good outfielder for 10 major league seasons, 7 of them with the Twins, 2 with the Cubs and the last split between the Tigers and Marlins, playing mostly the corner spots. He was never an All-Star and never lead the league in any offensive category. He only had 3 seasons with a OPS+ over 100.  His best season was 2002, hitting .300/.341/.511 with 27 home runs and 85 RBI, the most RBI he would ever have in a season. Career he had a .277/.326/.448 line with 165 home runs and 630 RBI. I don't think anyone would consider him for the Hall.

Todd Jones had some good seasons as a closer. He had more than 25 saves 7 times in his 16 year career, leading the league in save once. He played for 8 different teams. He was an All-Star once. In 982 games(17th all time), he had 319 saves (16th all time), but with a rather high (for a closer) 3.97 ERA. He's the prime example for saves being over rated.

Jeff Kent had a very good 17 season career that started with the Blue Jays. He was traded in the middle of his rookie season to the Mets for David Cone. We can't complain too much, we won the World Series that year. He was pretty good for the Mets. if not terrific. He was traded to the Indians in the middle of the 1996 season. After that season he was part of a big trade between the Indians and Giants. It was with the Giants he became a star. After San Francisco he went to the Astros and Dodgers.

In total he played 2298 games, hit 377 home runs, had 1518 RBI with a .290/.356/.500 slash line. Not bad for a middle infielder. He won the NL MVP in 2000,  played on  5 All-Star teams and won 4 Silver Slugger awards. He had more than 100 RBI 8 times (helped along by opponents intentionally walking Barry Bonds)

He also didn't get along with Bonds, which is a bit of a plus in my book, though he really didn't have to be such a jerk about it. And then there was the time he broke his wrist, during spring training. At first he said it happened washing his truck, but turns out he crashed his motorcycle doing wheelies. He was also a contestant on Survivor.

I do think that it would be kind of funny if Kent was voted into the Hall and Bonds wasn't.

YearAgeTmGABRH2B3BHRRBISBCSBBSOBAOBPSLGPosAwards
199224TOT10230552732121150232776.239.312.43045/36
199224TOR651923646131835212047.240.324.44354/3
199224NYM3711316278131502729.239.289.4074/56
199325NYM140496651342402180443088.270.320.446*45/6
199426NYM107415531212451468142384.292.341.475*4
199527NYM125472651312232065332989.278.327.464*4
199628TOT128437611242711255643178.284.330.43253/4D
199628NYM893354597201939432156.290.331.4365
199628CLE39102162770316211022.265.328.4223/45D
199729SFG155580901453822912111348133.250.316.472*43MVP-8
199830SFG13752694156373311289448110.297.359.555*4/3MVP-9
199931SFG138511861484022310113661112.290.366.511*4/3AS,MVP-26
200032SFG1595871141964173312512990107.334.424.596*43AS,MVP-1,SS
200133SFG1596078418149622106766596.298.369.507*43AS,SS
200234SFG152623102195422371085152101.313.368.565*4/3MVP-6,SS
200335HOU130505771503912293623985.297.351.509*4
200436HOU1455409615634827107734996.289.348.531*4/DAS,MVP-13
200537LAD14955310016036029105627285.289.377.512*43AS,MVP-19,SS
200638LAD115407611192731468125569.292.385.4774/3
200739LAD136494781493612079135761.302.375.500*4
200840LAD121440421232311259012552.280.327.418*4/3
17 Yrs229884981320246156047377151894608011522.290.356.500
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First trade of every offseason in Blue Jays history

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Aside from a few minor league free agent signings and picking up options, nothing of note has happened in Blue Jays land so far this offseason, and we being fans--and bloggers who have to come up with content--are getting impatient. Now, we're not asking for a move to be made just for the sake of making one, but please could we have a move to analyze?

The lack of news means that we need to dig into the history books to find something to write about. So here is a list of the dates of the first trade of every offseason in club history.

DateClubObtainedFor
1976-11-05ClevelandAlan Ashby, Doug HowardAl Fitzmorris
1977-12-06St. LouisTom Underwood, Victor CruzPete Vuckovich, John Scott
1978-11-27HoustonMark Lemongello, Joe Cannon, Pedro HernandezAlan Ashby
1979-11-01New York (AL)Chris Chambliss, Paul Mirabella , Damaso GarciaTom Underwood, Rick Cerone, Ted Wilborn
1980-12-12New York (NL)Roy Lee JacksonBob Bailor
1981-11-18New York (AL)Aurelio RodriguezMike Lebo
1982-10-27New York (AL)Tucker AshfordConditional
1983-12-09SeattleBryan ClarkBarry Bonnell
1984-12-08OaklandBill CaudillDave Collins, Alfredo Griffin
1985None
1987-02-02AtlantaCraig McMurtryDamaso Garcia, Luis Leal
1987None
1988None
1989-12-17AtlantaRicky TrlicekErnie Whitt, Kevin Batiste
1990-11-06AtlantaNate CromwellEarl Sanders
1991None
1992-12-08CaliforniaLuis SojoKelly Gruber
1994-03-29Chicago (AL)Mike HuffDomingo Martinez
1994-11-18FloridaScott PaceEddie Zosky
1995-12-07PhiladelphiaPaul QuantrillHoward Battle, Ricardo Jordan
1996-11-14PittsburghCarlos Garcia, Orlando Merced, Dan PlesacJose Silva, Jose Pett, Mike Halperin, Abraham Nunez, Craig Wilsom, Brandon Cromer
1997None
1998-12-13San DiegoJoey HamiltonWoody Williams, Carlos Almanzar, Peter Tucci
1999-11-08Los AngelesPedro Borbon, Raul MondesiShawn Green, Jorge Nunez
2000-11-07Chicago (AL)Scott EyreGary Glover
2001-12-07OaklandEric Hinske, Justin MillerBilly Koch
2002-11-16OaklandCory LidleMike Rouse, Chris Mowday
2003-11-18OaklandTed LillyBobby Kielty
2004-12-02ClevelandJohn McDonaldThomas Mastny
2005-11-10DetroitJohn McDonaldCash
2006None
2007-11-18OaklandMarco ScutaroGraham Godfrey, Kristian Bell
2009-02-10San DiegoMatt BushCash
2009-12-16PhiladelphiaKyle Drabek, Michael Taylor, Travis d'ArnaudRoy Halladay
2010-11-04ColoradoMiguel OlivoCash
2011-11-04OaklandTrystan MagnusonCash
2012-10-21BostonMike AvilesDavid Carpenter, John Farrell

Looking at that list, we can see why Pat Gillick earned his "Stand Pat" nickname in the 1980s, having made no offseason trades in 1985, 1987, 1988, and 1991. Since Gillick, the Blue Jays have only had two no-trade offseasons: 1997 (of course that year, Gord Ash signed Roger Clemens on December 13), and 2006 (in that offseason, J.P. Riccardi focused on signing free agents Royce Clayton, Gregg Zaun, and Frank Thomas in November, and signing the seven-year extension with Vernon Wells).

shere are some upcoming events where there may be some happenings. Monday, December 2 is the deadline for the Blue Jays to tender contracts to arbitration-eligible players--I don't see the Blue Jays non-tendering anyone (despite Esmil Rogers being listed as a candidate on MLB Trade Rumors) but perhaps they could pick someone up. December 5 is the last day to designate players for assignment before the Rule 5, which will occur on December 12, the last day of the Winter Meetings which start on the 9th. The Winter Meetings is as good of a time as any to complete trades and sign free agents. But don't hold your breath on Jeff Samardzija--the Cubs are reportedly willing to wait for other clubs to fight over him, and Peter Gammons thinks that it might be February before he is moved.

Get us a cool Christmas present, Mr. Anthopoulos.

Hall of Fame Poll: Greg Maddux

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Would you vote Greg Maddux into the Baseball Hall of Fame?

Next on the list would be Paul Lo Duca, but he's not a serious candidate. He had one really good season, hitting .320/.374/.543 with 25 home runs and 90 RBI. Beyond that he was little better than average in his 11 year career. Slash line .286/.337/.409 with 80 home runs and 481 RBI in 1082 games. I mean, I'd rather him at catcher than JP, but no he isn't a Hall of Fame type.

Greg Maddux, on the other hand, has 355 wins to his credit, as well as a 3.16 ERA, 4 consecutive Cy Young awards, 8 times an All-Star and 18 (!) Gold Gloves. Chicks may dig the long ball, but wins are pretty impressive too.

On top of all that Baseball Reference has him 8th all time in WAR among pitchers. I know some of the BBWAA have this thing about not electing anyone unanimously, but if they were going to do it, Maddux would be the right choice.

YearAgeTmWLERAGGSCGSHOIPHERHRBBSOERA+Awards
198620CHC245.52651031.044193112074
198721CHC6145.61302711155.218197177410176
198822CHC1883.18343493249.0230881381140114AS
198923CHC19122.95353571238.1222781382135129CYA-3
199024CHC15153.46353582237.0242911171144119GG
199125CHC15113.35373772263.0232981866198116GG
199226CHC20112.18353594268.020165770199166AS,CYA-1,MVP-11,GG
199327ATL20102.36363681267.0228701452197170CYA-1,MVP-13,GG
199428ATL1661.562525103202.015035431156271AS,CYA-1,MVP-5,GG
199529ATL1921.632828103209.214738823181260AS,CYA-1,MVP-3,GG
199630ATL15112.72353551245.0225741128172162AS,CYA-5,GG
199731ATL1942.20333352232.220057920177189AS,CYA-2,MVP-12,GG
199832ATL1892.22343495251.0201621345204187AS,CYA-4,GG
199933ATL1993.57333340219.1258871637136126GG
200034ATL1993.00353563249.1225831942190153AS,CYA-3,MVP-12,GG
200135ATL17113.05343433233.0220792027173146GG
200236ATL1662.62343400199.1194581445118159GG
200337ATL16113.96363610218.1225962433124108
200438CHC16114.02333321212.2218953533151110GG
200539CHC13154.24353530225.02391062936136104GG
200640TOT15144.20343400210.0219982037117109GG
200640CHC9114.69222200136.11537114238199
200640LAD633.3012120073.2662761436137
200741SDP14114.14343410198.022191142510497GG
200842TOT8134.22333300194.02049121309892GG
200842SDP693.99262600153.11616816268095
200842LAD245.09770040.24323541883
23 Yrs3552273.16744740109355008.1472617563539993371132
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Hall of Fame Poll: Edgar Martinez

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Would you vote Edgar Martinez into the Baseball Hall of Fame?

Edgar Martinez gets on the ballot for the 5th time. He's been running between 32 and 37% of the Writer's votes and he isn't building momentum.

Edgar played 18 seasons with the Mariners, hitting .312/.418/.515 with 309 home runs, 514 doubles, 1261 RBI. He was on 7 All-Star teams, won 2 batting titles, 1 Roberto Clemente Award, and 5 Silver Sluggers.

He has a 62.9 career offensive WAR, good for 68th place on the all-time list.

There are lot of arguments about whether a DH belongs in the Hall. I don't see any reason DH's should be excluded, but I'm not sure that Edgar has the numbers that earn a spot.

YearAgeTmGABRH2B3BHRRBISBCSBBSOBAOBPSLGPosAwards
198724SEA134361652050025.372.413.5815/D
198825SEA14320940050047.281.351.4065
198926SEA65171204150220211726.240.314.3045
199027SEA144487711472721149147462.302.397.433*5/D
199128SEA150544981673511452038472.307.405.452*5/D
199229SEA13552810018146318731445461.343.404.5445D/3AS,MVP-12,SS
199330SEA42135203270413002819.237.366.378D5
199431SEA8932647932311351625342.285.387.4825D
199532SEA145511121182520291134311687.356.479.628*D/53AS,MVP-3,SS
199633SEA139499121163522261033312384.327.464.595*D/35AS
199734SEA155542104179351281082411986.330.456.554*D/35AS,MVP-14,SS
199835SEA15455686179461291021110696.322.429.565*D/3
199936SEA142502861693512486729799.337.447.554*D/3
200037SEA15355610018031037145309695.324.423.579*D/3AS,MVP-6
200138SEA1324708014440123116419390.306.423.543*D/3AS,MVP-16,SS
200239SEA9732842912301559116769.277.403.485D
200340SEA145497721462502498019295.294.406.489*DAS,SS
200441SEA1414864512823012631058107.263.342.385*D/5
18 Yrs2055721312192247514153091261493012831202.312.418.515
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Hall of Fame Poll: Don Mattingly

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Would you vote Don Mattingly into the Baseball Hall of Fame?

Donny Baseball is an interesting case, his career only lasted 14 seasons. At his peak he was great, maybe the best player in baseball for a few seasons, but back problems brought his stats down, so he doesn't have the counting starts that get you into the Hall.

He had 222 home runs, 1099 RBI and had a career slash line of .307/.358/.471. He was AL MVP in 1985, was named to 6 All-Star teams, had 9 Gold Glove and 3 Silver Slugger awards. Baseball Reference has him at a 39.8 career WAR.

This is his second last time on the ballot, unless, of course, he gets listed on less than 5% of the Writers' ballots. 13 times on the ballot, his 28.2% on his first try was his best number. He's been as low as 9.9%.

And, of course, he should have cut those sideburns.

YearAgeTmGPARH2B3BHRRBIBBSOBAOBPSLGPosAwards
198221NYY71302000101.167.154.167/739
198322NYY9130534791544322131.283.333.409397/4
198423NYY15366291207442231104133.343.381.537*37/98AS,MVP-5
198524NYY159727107211483351455641.324.371.567*3AS,MVP-1,GG,SS
198625NYY162742117238532311135335.352.394.573*3/5DAS,MVP-2,GG,SS
198726NYY14163093186382301155138.327.378.559*3/DAS,MVP-7,GG,SS
198827NYY1446519418637018884129.311.353.462*3/D7AS,GG
198928NYY15869379191372231135130.303.351.477*3D/9AS,MVP-15,GG
199029NYY102428401011605422820.256.308.3353D/7
199130NYY152646641693509684642.288.339.394*3DGG
199231NYY1576868918440014863943.288.327.416*3DGG
199332NYY1345967815427217866142.291.364.445*3/DMVP-19,GG
199433NYY97436621132016516024.304.397.411*3MVP-18,GG
199534NYY128507591323227494035.288.341.413*3/D
14 Yrs1785772210072153442202221099588444.307.358.471
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Is There A Future Hall of Fame Inductee on the Blue Jays Roster?

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With all the Hall of Fame polls being posted on the site these days, I figured it would be fun to look at the current Blue Jays roster and see if there is any future Hall of Fame inductees on it. It seems that the four most likely players to eventually make the Hall of Fame would be: Mark Buehrle, R.A. Dickey, Jose Bautista, and Edwin Encarnacion.

Obviously all these players have a lot of work left to do to get into the Hall of Fame and there's a good chance that none of them actually do, but it doesn't hurt to wonder. Mark Buehrle has 13 solid years of reliable pitching, but has never been able to take it to the next level and become an ace. Four Gold Gloves is nice but a career ERA of 3.84 would be the highest ever inducted to the Hall of Fame. Red Ruffing currently owns that distinction and he pitched 22 years in the major leagues! As Buehrle's career winds down you have to think that he won't be disrupted from playing with his pit bulls when he retires with a call from Cooperstown.

R.A. Dickey only has about four years of above average pitching and would need about five more years of great numbers before even being considered. Unfortunately for R.A., the peak of his career came a little too late and the odds of him getting into Cooperstown are about as slim as J.P. Arencibia going a full game without missing his knuckleball.

As with Dickey, Jose Bautista has had about five good years of play under his belt and is running out of time to put together a more complete résumé for a Hall of Fame shot. The last half-decade has seen Bautista rack up a .384 OBP, which is Cooperstown quality, but it needs to continue for another five years before it would hold much weight in the Hall of Fame argument. Bautista is only 33-years-old and could have a few more 50+ home run seasons in him, but the odds aren't very good of Jose getting the call from Cooperstown.

Lastly, Edwin Encarnacion has a slim chance at being considered for the Hall of Fame as well. His three solid years were preceded with a lot of average play meaning Edwin needs to pick it up a notch if he wants to make a case for himself. A .364 OBP in the past three seasons is good, but he still isn't be considered a superstar by most people. Encarnacion is only 30-years-old, but it's hard to believe the Dominican has much of a shot at getting into the Hall.

As you can gather (and probably knew) the current Blue Jays roster isn't exactly brimming with future Hall of Famers like the 2009 Yankees were. Maybe someone unexpected will emerge as a possible Cooperstown inductee in the coming years for the Blue Jays or maybe Alex Anthopoulos will get Roy Halladay back again. At the very least we can hope that Halladay is inducted one day and chooses to go in as a Blue Jay, What do you Banterers think on this quiet Friday afternoon?

Hall of Fame Poll: Fred McGriff

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Would you vote Fred McGriff into the Baseball Hall of Fame?

This is the Crime Dog's 5th time on the ballot, he's ranged from 23.9 to 17.9%. I'm biased, but I don't know why Fred McGriff doesn't get more support for the Hall. 493 home runs, 1305 RBI, a 1550 RBI and 1305 walks with a.284/.377/.509 slash line. Fangraphs has him at a 50.5 career WAR.

I really liked him when he was a Jay. When they traded him, and Tony Fernandez to the Padres for Roberto Alomar and Joe Carter, I told my friend that we were trading away a future Hall of Famer. 30+ homers, 100 walks a year seemed like a guy that should make the Hall to me.

Fred made 5 All-Star teams and had 3 Silver Sluggers. He was always close to the top of the league in OBP and Slugging. The top 4 players on his Similarity Score list are Willie McCovery, Willie Stargell, Jeff Bagwell and Frank Thomas.

His problem is that he played in an era where there a number of good first basemen and, of course, when steroids were all around. I don't remember Fred being accused of using PED,

If he had those 7 more homers to get to 500......

YearAgeTmGABRH2B3BHRRBIBBSOBAOBPSLGOPSOPS+PosAwards
198622TOR3511000002.200.200.200.4008/D3
198723TOR1072955873160204360104.247.376.505.881130D3
198824TOR154536100151354348279149.282.376.552.928157*3MVP-17
198925TOR161551981482733692119132.269.399.525.924165*3/DMVP-6,SS
199026TOR15355791167211358894108.300.400.530.930153*3/DMVP-10
199127SDP1535288414719131106105135.278.396.494.890147*3MVP-10
199228SDP152531791523043510496108.286.394.556.950165*3AS,MVP-6,SS
199329TOT1515571111622923710176106.291.375.549.924144*3MVP-4,SS
199329SDP83302528311118464255.275.361.497.8581273
199329ATL68255597918119553451.310.392.6121.0041653
199430ATL1134248113525134945076.318.389.6231.012157*3AS,MVP-8
199531ATL1445288514827127936599.280.361.489.850119*3AS,MVP-20
199632ATL159617811823712810768116.295.365.494.859120*3AS
199733ATL15256477156251229768112.277.356.441.797106*3
199834TBD15156473160330198179118.284.371.443.815111*3D
199935TBD144529751643013210486107.310.405.552.957142*3D
200036TBD158566821571802710691120.277.373.452.826110*3DAS
200137TOT146513671572523110266106.306.386.544.930144*3D
200137TBD973434010918019614069.318.387.536.9231443D
200137CHC4917027487212412637.282.383.559.9421453
200238CHC14652367143272301036399.273.353.505.858125*3/D
200339LAD86297327414013403166.249.322.428.750993
200440TBD27727133027919.181.272.306.57753D/3
19 Yrs246087571349249044124493155013051882.284.377.509.886134
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Hall of Fame Poll: Mark McGwire

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Would you vote Mark McGwire into the Baseball Hall of Fame?

Mark McGwire's numbers are well known: 583 home runs, 1414 RBI, 1317 walks, a 263/.394/.588 line. AL Rookie of the Year in 1987. 12 All-Star teams. 1 Gold Glove. 3 Silver sluggers. Amazingly enough, no MVP awards.

He is number 8 on the career list in Slugging Average. Number 10 in home runs. 67th in RBI. 63.1 career WAR puts him 91st all time among position players. Credited with helping to save baseball after the strike.

And there was some other stuff. What was it? Oh yeah, Steroids. Considering how important he was to the game, after the lockout, and how the very writers that are voting were the ones that turned a blind eye to what he was doing, you would think they would have more sympathy.

And there was the famous 'I'm not here to talk about the past', when asked by congress about it. Gotta wonder what he thought he was there about.

This is his 8th time on the ballot, his high mark was 23.7%, but has been dropping. He got 16.8% last year.

YearAgeTmGABRH2B3BHRRBIBBSOBAOBPSLGOPSOPS+PosAwards
198622OAK185310101039418.189.259.377.636775
198723OAK151557971612844911871131.289.370.618.987164*3/59AS,MVP-6,RoY-1
198824OAK15555087143221329976117.260.352.478.830134*3/9AS,MVP-19
198925OAK1434907411317033958394.231.339.467.806129*3/DAS,MVP-25
199026OAK1565238712316039108110116.235.370.489.859144*3/DAS,MVP-11,GG
199127OAK1544836297220227593116.201.330.383.714103*3AS
199228OAK139467871252204210490105.268.385.585.970176*3AS,MVP-4,SS
199329OAK27841628609242119.333.467.7261.1932253
199430OAK471352634309253740.252.413.474.8871383/D
199531OAK104317758713039908877.274.441.6851.1252003DAS,MVP-16
199632OAK13042310413221052113116112.312.467.7301.198196*3DAS,MVP-7,SS
199733TOT1565408614827058123101159.274.393.6461.039170*3AS,MVP-16
199733OAK1053664810424034815898.284.383.6281.0121643
199733STL5117438443024424361.253.411.6841.0951823
199834STL15550913015221070147162155.299.470.7521.222216*3AS,MVP-2,SS
199935STL15352111814521165147133141.278.424.6971.120176*3AS,MVP-5
200036STL8923660728032737678.305.483.7461.2292033AS
200137STL97299485640296456118.187.316.492.8081053
16 Yrs18746187116716262526583141413171596.263.394.588.982163
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Generated 11/30/2013.

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Hall of Fame Poll: Jack Morris

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Would you vote Jack Morris into the Baseball Hall of Fame?

It's Jack Morris' last chance to be voted into the Baseball Hall of Fame by the BBWAA. Last year he was close at 67.7%. His number has been coming up from a low of 19.6.

The two best AL starters of the 80's were likely Jack Morris and Dave Stieb. Stieb was the better of the two but he didn't get any love from the BBWAA in the Hall of Fame vote.

Jack had the ability to pitch for teams that scored a lot of runs, as well as being able to stay in the game long enough to get the W. If you listen to him, he'll tell you that, once he got the big lead, he wouldn't worry about giving up a run or two, he just didn't give up the big inning, which is useful. But is it a the mark of a Hall of Famer? Jack was the best pitcher on a very good Tigers team, but they were good because they scored in bunches.

He has pretty good raw numbers, 254 wins (42nd all-time), 5 All-Star games, 2478 strikeouts (32nd), 527 start (36th), 175 complete games. He never won a Cy Young. There is a wow factor when you look at his innings total each season. He led the league in innings in 1983 with 293.2 innings, but that was the only season he led the league in innings, though he was often well over 200 innings. He also led the league in wild pitches 6 times.

Jack played with the Jays for 2 seasons, picking up 2 World Series rings, going 21-6 with a 4.04 ERA in 1992. In 1993 he went 7-12 with a 6.19 ERA and didn't get play in the playoffs that year. He also won a World Series with the Tigers.

I think of him as being a very good pitcher, maybe a better pitcher than we think when we look at his numbers, but, to me, not quite good enough to go to the Hall. But then, I never liked him. He was a bit of a jerk, and the Tigers, well, they were our rivals. When he came to us, he was past his best before date.

We've had a season of listening to him campaign for this vote, did he win you over?

YearAgeTmWLERAGGSCGSHOIPHRHRBBIBBSOHBPBKWPERA+Awards
197722DET113.74761045.23820423028002115
197823DET354.3328700106.01075784954830489
197924DET1773.28272791197.21797619594113419133
198025DET16154.183636112250.02521252087511242699
198126DET1473.052525151198.01536914781197222124AS,CYA-3,MVP-15
198227DET17164.063737173266.1247131379671350010100
198328DET20133.343737201293.2257117308352323018117CYA-3,MVP-21
198429DET19113.60353591240.1221108208771482014109AS,CYA-7
198530DET16113.333535134257.02121022111071915315122AS
198631DET2183.273535156267.0229105408272230012127CYA-5
198732DET18113.383434130266.0227111399372081124126AS,CYA-9,MVP-20
198833DET15133.943434102235.0225115208371684111197
198934DET6144.862424100170.118910223593115211279
199035DET15184.513636113249.2231144269713162621689
199136MIN18123.433535102246.2226107189251635115125AS,CYA-4,MVP-13
199237TOR2164.04343461240.2222114188021321029101CYA-5,MVP-13
199338TOR7126.19272741152.218911618652103311470
199439CLE1065.60232310141.11639614672100401383
18 Yrs2541863.90549527175283824.03567181538913909924785827206105
162 Game Avg.16123.903533112242225115258861574213105
WLERAGGSCGSHOIPHRHRBBIBBSOHBPBKWPERA+Awards
DET (14 yrs)1981503.73430408154243042.22767138232110868819803623155108
TOR (2 yrs)28184.876161102393.14112303614542351332386
MIN (1 yr)18123.433535102246.2226107189251635115125
CLE (1 yr)1065.60232310141.11639614672100401383
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Hall of Fame Poll: Mike Mussina

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Would you vote Mike Mussina into the Baseball Hall of Fame?

Mike Mussina has a pretty good case for the Hall. Most of it revolves around his 270 wins.

He had a very good 18 year career, getting double digit wins in every season except his rookie year. 11 seasons of over 200 innings. He didn't win 20 games, in a season, until his very last year in the majors.

Mussina never won a Cy Young, he finished 2nd in voting once and finished 4th through 6th 8 times. He was an All-Star 5 times, including the rather famous time that Cito didn't bring him into the game in Baltimore. He won 7 Gold Gloves. His career WAR (82.7) puts him 24th all time among pictures.

No World Series rings but his teams made the playoffs 9 times.

YearAgeTmWLERAGGSCGSHOIPHERHRBBSOERA+Awards
199122BAL452.8712122087.2772872152139
199223BAL1852.54323284241.0212681648130157AS,CYA-4,MVP-21
199324BAL1464.46252532167.2163832044117100AS
199425BAL1653.06242430176.116360194299164AS,CYA-4,MVP-20
199526BAL1993.29323274221.2187812450158145CYA-5
199627BAL19114.81363641243.12641303169204103CYA-5,GG
199728BAL1583.20333341224.2197802754218137AS,CYA-6,GG
199829BAL13103.49292942206.1189802241175130GG
199930BAL1873.50313140203.1207791652172133AS,CYA-2,GG
200031BAL11153.79343461237.22361002846210125CYA-6
200132NYY17113.15343443228.2202802042214143CYA-5,GG
200233NYY18104.05333322215.2208972748182109
200334NYY1783.40313121214.2192812140195130GG
200435NYY1294.59272710164.217884224013298
200536NYY1384.41303022179.219988234714296
200637NYY1573.51323210197.1184772235172129
200738NYY11105.15282700152.01888714359188
200839NYY2093.37343400200.1214751731150131CYA-6,MVP-19,GG
18 Yrs2701533.6853753657233562.2346014583767852813123
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